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Tim Pool–Alex Jones mess

There is something genuinely fascinating happening in the Tim Pool–Alex Jones mess, and it has almost nothing to do with whether you like Tim Pool. I don’t particularly care whether you...

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There is something genuinely fascinating happening in the Tim Pool–Alex Jones mess, and it has almost nothing to do with whether you like Tim Pool.

I don’t particularly care whether you like him.

Think he’s brilliant. Think he’s annoying. Think the beanie should be entered into evidence at The Hague. Whatever.

The interesting part is watching people suddenly demand standards from Tim Pool that they apparently abandoned somewhere around the moment Alex Jones entered the conversation.

Because we’re now watching people scrutinize Tim’s every word, every association, every motive and every perceived inconsistency while simultaneously STANNING Alex Jones — a man whose entire brand has been built on making enormous claims with enormous confidence and frequently treating the existence of a theory as evidence that the theory is true.

And somehow Tim Pool is the guy we’re supposed to interrogate?

Okay.

But then we’re going to interrogate everybody.

That’s the part people don’t seem to understand.

You don’t get to demand receipts from the guy you dislike while accepting memes, screenshots, insinuations and “everybody knows” from the guy you love.

That’s not skepticism.

That’s fandom with a search bar.

And watching grown adults argue serious political claims with memes has become one of the strangest features of modern political discourse.

Ask for evidence.

Meme.

Ask where the claim originated.

Meme.

Point out that the meme doesn’t actually establish the claim.

Different meme.

Eventually somebody posts a 47-second video with ominous music and red circles around things, and apparently we’ve reached peer review.

What the hell are we doing?

Alex Jones Doesn’t Get a Special Evidentiary Standard

Here’s where people immediately get defensive.

“But Alex has been right before.”

Sure.

So have meteorologists.

That doesn’t mean I accept next Tuesday’s forecast without looking at it.

Being correct about something previously does not create a lifetime exemption from providing evidence for future claims.

And Alex Jones, specifically, should be the LAST person whose audience adopts that standard.

Jones falsely claimed the Sandy Hook massacre was staged, claims that ultimately resulted in judgments exceeding $1 billion against him. That isn’t somebody’s meme about Alex Jones. That’s part of the public record. (Los Angeles Times)

That doesn’t mean everything Alex Jones says is false.

It means “Alex said it” cannot possibly be the evidentiary standard.

Yet that appears to be where some people have landed.

Alex makes an accusation about Tim Pool?

Well, Alex knows things.

How do you know?

Because Alex said so.

Can we see the evidence?

Why are you defending Tim Pool?!

I’m not.

I’m defending the concept of fucking evidence.

Those are different things.

And Tim Pool Isn’t Some Enemy of Alex Jones

This is another reason the reaction is so bizarre.

These aren’t two people who have spent ten years throwing rocks at each other from opposite sides of the political universe.

Pool has repeatedly given Jones access to his audience. Jones has appeared on Timcast programming, including a lengthy 2023 Culture War episode with Pool and Luke Rudkowski. Pool has also publicly defended the principle of allowing controversial figures to speak, including Jones and others whose views he didn’t necessarily endorse. (YouTube)

So watching portions of the audience instantly transform Tim Pool into some sinister establishment operative because Alex Jones turned his fire on him should probably tell us something.

Not necessarily about Tim.

About us.

Because apparently political audiences have become so conditioned toward loyalty that disagreement itself is now treated as evidence of betrayal.

Yesterday: “Tim gets it.”

Today: “Tim is compromised.”

Tomorrow: someone posts a Pepe meme explaining the international banking system and the investigation is officially closed.

The Memeification of Evidence

Memes are great.

I love memes.

Memes can make an argument. They can expose hypocrisy. They can summarize something complicated brilliantly.

But a meme is not automatically evidence of the thing written on the meme.

This distinction should not require an op-ed.

Yet here we are.

The internet has created this bizarre epistemological shortcut where information that looks like evidence gets treated as evidence.

Screenshot.

Red arrow.

Circle.

Headline.

Photograph.

CAPITAL LETTERS.

Boom.

Case closed.

Except none of those things necessarily establish anything.

Who originally made the claim?

What’s the primary source?

Is the screenshot authentic?

What’s outside the crop?

Does the article actually say what the headline implies?

Is the person pictured with someone because they’re secretly coordinating with them, or because human beings occasionally stand next to other human beings?

These are not unreasonable questions.

They’re the bare minimum.

And they shouldn’t become offensive simply because somebody asked them about a person you like.

Skepticism That Only Goes One Direction Isn’t Skepticism

This is the part that bothers me most.

A lot of the same people who spent years saying, “Don’t trust the media. Check the source. Question everything.”

Good.

I agree.

Question everything.

But apparently there was an invisible second sentence:

“Unless someone on our side says it.”

Then we’re good.

No source necessary.

That’s intellectually unserious.

If CNN makes a gigantic claim about someone you like, demand evidence.

If MSNBC does it, demand evidence.

If Fox does it, demand evidence.

If Tim Pool does it, demand evidence.

And yes:

If Alex fucking Jones does it, demand evidence.

The standard doesn’t change because somebody has your preferred politics, makes you laugh, pisses off people you hate or once predicted something correctly.

Otherwise “do your own research” doesn’t mean research.

It means find something that confirms what you already wanted to believe and post it underneath somebody’s tweet.

Preferably in meme format.

You Don’t Have to Pick a Daddy

Maybe that’s the weirdest part of all of this.

Why does every internet fight require people to immediately choose a father figure?

Tim versus Alex.

PICK A SIDE.

No.

They’re grown men with microphones.

They can disagree.

One of them can be right about one thing and wrong about another.

Both can be wrong.

Both can occasionally be right.

You are allowed to evaluate individual claims without pledging allegiance to the person making them.

That used to be called thinking.

And if your response to someone asking for evidence is to post a meme, call them a shill and announce that your favorite media personality “already exposed this,” you haven’t won the argument.

You’ve demonstrated exactly what the problem is.

Politics has become fandom.

Commentators have become teams.

Disagreement has become betrayal.

And evidence has become optional.

I don’t need Tim Pool to be a hero to recognize that.

I don’t need Alex Jones to be a villain, either.

I just need everyone to play by the same fucking rules.

If Tim makes the claim, Tim gets questioned.

If Alex makes the claim, Alex gets questioned.

And if your entire argument collapses the moment someone asks “Okay, but what’s your evidence?”

For the love of God—

don’t send me another fucking meme.

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